1 00:00:04,866 --> 00:00:07,066 Hi, my name is Bob Casper, and I'm here with 2 00:00:07,066 --> 00:00:08,899 Dr. Keith Anderson and Frederick Johnson, 3 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:12,800 and we're doing a presentation on A Case 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,900 Study: How to Compensate Minoritized 5 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:16,900 Social Justice Authors 6 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:20,466 and Still Offer an Open License for Their Material. 7 00:00:20,466 --> 00:00:23,232 And so by way of introduction, I am 8 00:00:23,233 --> 00:00:24,933 part of the Center for Teaching and Learning 9 00:00:24,933 --> 00:00:28,666 over at Boise State, and I am an instructional designer. 10 00:00:28,666 --> 00:00:31,899 Dr. Anderson and Mr. Johnson will introduce themselves 11 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:34,933 when their portion of our presentation 12 00:00:34,933 --> 00:00:36,699 comes up, and so we've divided it 13 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:39,233 into several sections. But I want to talk 14 00:00:39,233 --> 00:00:41,133 about our outcomes and key takeaways. 15 00:00:41,133 --> 00:00:43,499 We're hoping that by the end of this, you 16 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:45,333 will have some type of idea of how to 17 00:00:45,333 --> 00:00:47,733 create OER in several formats, including 18 00:00:47,733 --> 00:00:50,666 print-on-demand and digital, and then also we're looking 19 00:00:50,666 --> 00:00:53,399 to have the work be openly licensed, 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,000 and at the same time create an avenue of 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,533 compensation for the author. And then our third item 22 00:00:59,533 --> 00:01:03,499 would be create an avenue for the author to 23 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:06,233 address future works by offering work via OER as 24 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:10,166 a catalyst for more opportunities for that future work. 25 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:12,199 And so let me just set the stage here a 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,533 little bit. One of the things that we were working on 27 00:01:14,533 --> 00:01:17,499 to get people who are interested or already working on 28 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:20,100 putting some materials together to come 29 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:23,333 over to open educational resources and so, 30 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:26,466 amongst others, Dr. Anderson was someone 31 00:01:26,466 --> 00:01:28,332 who I'd known for a little bit before 32 00:01:28,333 --> 00:01:31,499 and had admired his work and understood, uh, 33 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,066 some of his goals and ideas, and he 34 00:01:33,066 --> 00:01:36,299 wanted to put something online, but wanted it to look 35 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:39,433 credible and nice and polished. And so 36 00:01:39,433 --> 00:01:42,433 one of the things we could do was take 37 00:01:42,433 --> 00:01:44,366 his book that he had been working on 38 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:47,132 and put it into a format that was online. 39 00:01:47,133 --> 00:01:50,333 So, one of the things we did was we used 40 00:01:50,333 --> 00:01:52,166 Pressbooks. If you're familiar with 41 00:01:52,166 --> 00:01:54,166 Pressbooks, not only does it create 42 00:01:54,166 --> 00:01:56,432 PDFs and MOBY and other types of digital 43 00:01:56,433 --> 00:01:58,766 formats, but it creates a web page as well, 44 00:01:58,766 --> 00:02:01,832 in addition to, like I said, a PDF version. 45 00:02:01,833 --> 00:02:03,499 So we had all these different versions 46 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:05,333 of the book and then we 47 00:02:05,333 --> 00:02:07,733 decided that maybe the best way to use 48 00:02:07,733 --> 00:02:09,433 this type of money, and actually this was Keith's 49 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:11,433 decision – Dr. Anderson's decision – was to 50 00:02:11,433 --> 00:02:13,666 use that to make some printed 51 00:02:13,666 --> 00:02:15,299 versions of the book. We hired a local 52 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:17,333 printer and began that process, and we'll 53 00:02:17,333 --> 00:02:20,633 talk about that a little bit further down in our talk. 54 00:02:20,633 --> 00:02:23,099 We ended up also having several digital versions, 55 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:26,733 and ultimately released those to faculty 56 00:02:26,733 --> 00:02:30,066 and students to use in ethics classes 57 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:32,566 and other classes that would talk about 58 00:02:32,566 --> 00:02:36,732 social justice, racism, anti-racism, and those topics as 59 00:02:36,733 --> 00:02:38,833 the book addresses those very well. 60 00:02:38,833 --> 00:02:40,633 What we ended up doing after that was 61 00:02:40,633 --> 00:02:43,599 saying, okay, well we've got a printer that's printing 62 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,633 this book, but we need something when 63 00:02:45,633 --> 00:02:47,699 those books run out. 64 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:49,366 How do we get it so that people can buy 65 00:02:49,366 --> 00:02:51,132 their own books? And so that's where we 66 00:02:51,133 --> 00:02:53,933 ended up turning to Kindle Self-Publish, which is 67 00:02:53,933 --> 00:02:56,199 part of the Amazon family of companies, and 68 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,800 we'll talk about that as we get going in 69 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,000 this as well. So, that's how we got to where we are. 70 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,733 And what's happened is, or what we hope continues to happen is, 71 00:03:05,733 --> 00:03:09,099 as people, either students or faculty, see Keith's book, 72 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:12,000 as people in the public or government agencies or 73 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,700 the private sector get his book via Amazon, that there's an 74 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:20,833 invitation in there to contact Keith and to see what his 75 00:03:20,833 --> 00:03:23,599 availability is to either come give workshops 76 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,966 on these topics, or have discussions, 77 00:03:25,966 --> 00:03:28,466 and– and in other ways use his expertise 78 00:03:28,466 --> 00:03:33,032 to discuss how they can benefit – 79 00:03:33,033 --> 00:03:34,599 whether you're a government agency or a 80 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,200 for-profit – from an anti-racist 81 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,733 point of view. And so that's the hope, and 82 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:41,466 we'll address these as we go through. 83 00:03:41,466 --> 00:03:43,399 What I'd like to do now is bring on Dr. Anderson 84 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,433 and have him introduce himself and talk 85 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:47,399 about why the book was created, what's in 86 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,166 the book, and those types of items. So Dr. Anderson, if 87 00:03:50,166 --> 00:03:52,566 you would go ahead and come on. 88 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:54,466 - Okay my name is Dr. Keith Anderson. 89 00:03:54,466 --> 00:03:56,466 I taught at Boise State 90 00:03:56,466 --> 00:04:00,532 for over 18 years as an adjunct instructor. 91 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:02,399 I've conducted numerous 92 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,300 anti-racism workshops for private companies 93 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,100 and for the federal government, 94 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:12,166 but as my– the work I do with low-income students, 95 00:04:12,166 --> 00:04:15,332 working with students with the Trio Program, 96 00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:17,299 has given me an opportunity or gave me 97 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:19,133 an opportunity to– 98 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:21,866 to watch and understand racism and 99 00:04:21,866 --> 00:04:23,832 education and things like that. 100 00:04:23,833 --> 00:04:25,833 So one of the things I wanted to do is 101 00:04:25,833 --> 00:04:27,966 teach teachers how to work with students 102 00:04:27,966 --> 00:04:30,232 from diverse backgrounds. So I kept an 103 00:04:30,233 --> 00:04:34,733 eye on that, and as our society started to change, I 104 00:04:34,733 --> 00:04:37,433 was keeping an eye on, uh, the things that were going on 105 00:04:37,433 --> 00:04:39,633 racially in our in our country, 106 00:04:39,633 --> 00:04:42,966 and I've always had this idea for a book. 107 00:04:42,966 --> 00:04:45,666 But, those of you who have been teaching 108 00:04:45,666 --> 00:04:47,332 for a long time, you understand that 109 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:49,733 getting a publishing deal as a 110 00:04:49,733 --> 00:04:52,366 college instructor is not the easiest 111 00:04:52,366 --> 00:04:54,499 thing in the world to do. 112 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:56,433 And so, I wanted to put my information 113 00:04:56,433 --> 00:04:58,499 that I've collected, 114 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:00,266 I wanted to put it online, 115 00:05:00,266 --> 00:05:03,466 but I wanted it to be very simple. Uh, 116 00:05:03,466 --> 00:05:05,999 my book is not a book that's gonna make 117 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,066 you an expert on slavery, it's not gonna 118 00:05:08,066 --> 00:05:10,366 make you an expert on Jim Crow or black history 119 00:05:10,366 --> 00:05:13,266 or the Civil Rights Movement. My job with 120 00:05:13,266 --> 00:05:16,499 this book is one simple thing: it's to teach you to go 121 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:19,166 from racist to non-racist to anti-racist, 122 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:22,399 with my theory being that we can't do 123 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,033 anything about racism 124 00:05:24,033 --> 00:05:26,999 until we move from non-racist to anti-racist 125 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,966 to start undoing it. And so I just wanted a place where 126 00:05:30,966 --> 00:05:33,866 people could come and read the information. 127 00:05:33,866 --> 00:05:36,166 I wanted to have something in my hand when I 128 00:05:36,166 --> 00:05:39,966 continued to do workshops and racism seminars, 129 00:05:39,966 --> 00:05:42,066 and I wanted something, so I– I got a hold 130 00:05:42,066 --> 00:05:44,799 of Bob and talked about having a website, and he 131 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,466 informed me about the things that he was doing and– 132 00:05:48,466 --> 00:05:50,799 and that I could probably– 133 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,266 with the OER I could probably get a book 134 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:57,366 printed professionally. But the– the one 135 00:05:57,366 --> 00:06:00,866 caveat was that students and professors could get it 136 00:06:00,866 --> 00:06:03,199 for free. I didn't have a problem with that. 137 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,166 I could use– I could still have a 138 00:06:05,166 --> 00:06:08,266 professional-looking book as a– as an instructor, 139 00:06:08,266 --> 00:06:11,932 and I could use these, uh, books in my seminars. 140 00:06:11,933 --> 00:06:14,766 So I did not have a problem with, uh, 141 00:06:14,766 --> 00:06:17,899 students having my information and 142 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:19,366 professors having my information, 143 00:06:19,366 --> 00:06:23,299 and using it in class. I saw that as a good trade-off. 144 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:26,300 And so now, because of it, I have a 145 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:29,600 professional book – looks just as good as any other 146 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,700 book – and this is, uh, helps me when it gives me 147 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:36,366 more confidence, and 148 00:06:36,366 --> 00:06:39,366 when I do a seminar, when I'm talking to people 149 00:06:39,366 --> 00:06:40,766 and they see the book and they see, "Oh, 150 00:06:40,766 --> 00:06:42,832 "this book is written by this guy," so 151 00:06:42,833 --> 00:06:47,166 it– it works. And so I think a lot of professors, 152 00:06:47,166 --> 00:06:51,499 if they had the opportunity to do what we've done, 153 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:53,466 I think they would take that opportunity, 154 00:06:53,466 --> 00:06:55,166 and I think it would be a good thing 155 00:06:55,166 --> 00:06:58,232 for the– whatever course you're teaching. 156 00:06:58,233 --> 00:07:01,066 So, with that I'll give it back to Bob, and I 157 00:07:01,066 --> 00:07:03,432 think he's going to move on to Fred. 158 00:07:03,433 --> 00:07:05,199 –[Casper] And we'll come back to Dr. Anderson in a 159 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,300 bit. So now we have the idea, 160 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,466 Keith– Dr. Anderson has the materials in hand, 161 00:07:10,466 --> 00:07:11,832 and we need to figure out a way to 162 00:07:11,833 --> 00:07:13,733 format them, to put them into 163 00:07:13,733 --> 00:07:17,566 a book format. And for that we needed someone who 164 00:07:17,566 --> 00:07:19,932 knew about books. So at the time we at 165 00:07:19,933 --> 00:07:23,666 the CTL, we also had a program for a graduate assistant, 166 00:07:23,666 --> 00:07:26,199 and that particular graduate assistant is here 167 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,666 with us today. Uh, and so I'll, 168 00:07:28,666 --> 00:07:32,032 uh, go ahead and just ask Frederick to 169 00:07:32,033 --> 00:07:33,499 kind of introduce yourself, tell us about 170 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,466 your specific skill sets, and then how you got 171 00:07:36,466 --> 00:07:38,032 the book to the way that it needed to be 172 00:07:38,033 --> 00:07:40,966 for it to be published interesting. 173 00:07:40,966 --> 00:07:42,899 - [Johnson] Thanks Bob. Um, 174 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:45,266 yes, I'm Frederick Johnson. Um, profession 175 00:07:45,266 --> 00:07:47,066 in training, I'm a librarian. 176 00:07:47,066 --> 00:07:50,099 More recently I was also a graduate student 177 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:51,633 working on a history thesis, 178 00:07:51,633 --> 00:07:53,999 and, as Bob explained, I 179 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,766 was hired to be a graduate assistant for 180 00:07:56,766 --> 00:07:58,999 the Center for Teaching and Learning. 181 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,366 I was hired specifically to help 182 00:08:02,366 --> 00:08:06,032 with their initiative to advocate 183 00:08:06,033 --> 00:08:07,966 and increase adoption of OER 184 00:08:07,966 --> 00:08:10,532 at Boise State University. 185 00:08:10,533 --> 00:08:12,333 There were kind of three prongs to– to 186 00:08:12,333 --> 00:08:15,099 what– what we were all doing, but what was 187 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:16,766 specifically my mandate, because 188 00:08:16,766 --> 00:08:18,932 that was the only thing I had to focus 189 00:08:18,933 --> 00:08:21,466 on, which was– 190 00:08:21,466 --> 00:08:23,266 I think it sometimes might have made Bob 191 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:27,632 a little jealous. Um, but, um, 192 00:08:27,633 --> 00:08:29,833 one thing we were doing is we were 193 00:08:29,833 --> 00:08:32,666 trying to identify high impact courses 194 00:08:32,666 --> 00:08:34,532 and departments where the 195 00:08:34,533 --> 00:08:36,433 adoption of OER could 196 00:08:36,433 --> 00:08:38,399 benefit the cost of textbooks for 197 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,066 students the most. Another thing we were doing was 198 00:08:41,066 --> 00:08:46,332 encouraging and providing focused and specialized support for 199 00:08:46,333 --> 00:08:50,966 early adopters of OER. I would help professors locate 200 00:08:50,966 --> 00:08:54,132 materials, navigate sites, and help them 201 00:08:54,133 --> 00:08:56,799 along so they could then take that material to 202 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,000 instructional designers like Bob 203 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,833 to integrate the materials in their 204 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:07,933 courses. Lastly, we were encouraging– 205 00:09:07,933 --> 00:09:11,933 as these early adopters became more– more 206 00:09:11,933 --> 00:09:13,766 confident and more interested in it– 207 00:09:13,766 --> 00:09:16,966 we began to encourage the production of 208 00:09:16,966 --> 00:09:19,866 their own OER, and 209 00:09:19,866 --> 00:09:23,932 by this time Boise State had invested 210 00:09:23,933 --> 00:09:27,599 in an account with Pressbooks, 211 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:33,066 which is related to Wordpress, 212 00:09:33,066 --> 00:09:34,966 but is specifically geared for 213 00:09:34,966 --> 00:09:39,266 the creation of books that can be accessed online. 214 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:42,399 So this idea that Dr. Anderson had of 215 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,100 wanting to have a website or way that 216 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:49,333 people could see his work, and Pressbooks, everything 217 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:52,466 just came together perfectly. 218 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:54,699 So specifically for Dr. Anderson's book, 219 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,466 I was tasked with learning, 220 00:09:58,466 --> 00:10:00,699 mostly teaching myself, Pressbooks, 221 00:10:00,700 --> 00:10:05,133 how it worked and how to get his book in– into it. Um, 222 00:10:05,133 --> 00:10:06,999 first I was given a– 223 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,833 a printed manuscript based on a Word file, 224 00:10:11,833 --> 00:10:13,933 which I was also given access to, 225 00:10:13,933 --> 00:10:16,766 and I began reading and began learning Pressbooks, and 226 00:10:16,766 --> 00:10:18,766 the process began where I began entering 227 00:10:18,766 --> 00:10:20,866 things and taking notes. 228 00:10:20,866 --> 00:10:23,566 This was very– we were all– all three of us 229 00:10:23,566 --> 00:10:26,332 were involved in this at every step of the way. 230 00:10:26,333 --> 00:10:27,933 Every time I would make changes or find 231 00:10:27,933 --> 00:10:30,433 things, we'd get back together. 232 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:32,166 This printed version of the manuscript 233 00:10:32,166 --> 00:10:34,699 went back and forth with my notes and Dr. Anderson, and, 234 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:37,366 and at the same time I was entering 235 00:10:37,366 --> 00:10:42,399 things into Pressbooks and finding out that 236 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,633 it's not quite as simple as just 237 00:10:44,633 --> 00:10:48,699 copy and pasting, but that I had to learn 238 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,233 quickly a little bit about some basic 239 00:10:51,233 --> 00:10:53,233 HTML coding and things 240 00:10:53,233 --> 00:10:56,066 to make sure that, stylistically, things 241 00:10:56,066 --> 00:11:00,166 matched up, and that formatting and– and fonts and 242 00:11:00,166 --> 00:11:02,432 things were consistent throughout. And so there 243 00:11:02,433 --> 00:11:04,066 were all these little snags. 244 00:11:04,066 --> 00:11:06,432 Additionally, we wanted to use Pressbooks 245 00:11:06,433 --> 00:11:10,333 because it provides an– a relatively easy way 246 00:11:10,333 --> 00:11:14,766 for a writer to make the work 247 00:11:14,766 --> 00:11:18,499 available in a number of formats. 248 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:20,966 For example, we wanted to make sure that the book was 249 00:11:20,966 --> 00:11:23,032 available as a printable PDF, 250 00:11:23,033 --> 00:11:25,833 a digital PDF, but also 251 00:11:25,833 --> 00:11:30,466 an ePub file and a MOBY file 252 00:11:30,466 --> 00:11:34,466 that are compatible with Kindle Readers 253 00:11:34,466 --> 00:11:38,099 and– and other devices 254 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:40,766 for reading books. So, Pressbooks is able 255 00:11:40,766 --> 00:11:42,232 to do this, but there are oftentimes– 256 00:11:42,233 --> 00:11:43,933 there were just little– 257 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:46,066 little snags where I had to learn the 258 00:11:46,066 --> 00:11:47,499 HTML because something didn't quite 259 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:49,366 translate, and I would have to, you know– 260 00:11:49,366 --> 00:11:50,832 and it wouldn't look right in one format 261 00:11:50,833 --> 00:11:54,899 or another. But over working all together, and each 262 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:56,733 one of us focused in our– on our own 263 00:11:56,733 --> 00:12:02,666 little spot, we slowly, uh, got this project 264 00:12:02,666 --> 00:12:04,132 moving along. For me an interesting part 265 00:12:04,133 --> 00:12:08,966 of this, and I think worth special mention is, 266 00:12:08,966 --> 00:12:12,366 designing a cover for the book. And 267 00:12:12,366 --> 00:12:13,966 we kind of threw around some ideas and– 268 00:12:13,966 --> 00:12:16,132 and naturally I went and 269 00:12:16,133 --> 00:12:18,799 did some image searches for open, 270 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,233 um, photography and I found 271 00:12:22,233 --> 00:12:24,966 an image that I liked that I thought was 272 00:12:24,966 --> 00:12:26,999 interesting. I liked that it had a story. It was– 273 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,200 it was a beautiful, high definition, uh, image 274 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,133 of a quilt what– that was in the 275 00:12:34,133 --> 00:12:35,599 collection. It was the New York Museum of 276 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,266 Art or the Smithsonian – I don't remember now, 277 00:12:38,266 --> 00:12:41,299 but it had been– it had been sewn by two 278 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:43,400 sisters who happened to be 279 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,866 slaves. And I thought, well, this has got 280 00:12:45,866 --> 00:12:46,966 an interesting pattern. It would 281 00:12:46,966 --> 00:12:50,499 look– it'd be easy to– to manipulate this 282 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:52,633 image to make it into a cover, it has an 283 00:12:52,633 --> 00:12:55,333 interesting story, it ties into 284 00:12:55,333 --> 00:12:57,866 the subject matter of the book, and what 285 00:12:57,866 --> 00:12:59,432 was really neat is I– 286 00:12:59,433 --> 00:13:01,566 I just kind of thought this idea, and I– I 287 00:13:01,566 --> 00:13:03,099 sent a copy of the image to 288 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:06,366 Bob and– and Dr. Anderson, and 289 00:13:06,366 --> 00:13:10,232 Dr. Anderson took it and clearly was 290 00:13:10,233 --> 00:13:12,266 inspired because he came back 291 00:13:12,266 --> 00:13:16,032 and designed his- his own cover, 292 00:13:16,033 --> 00:13:20,833 uh, using a quilt that his wife had made, 293 00:13:20,833 --> 00:13:22,133 or a couple of quilts that his 294 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:23,766 wife had made, making it that much more 295 00:13:23,766 --> 00:13:26,066 personal and having that much more of a 296 00:13:26,066 --> 00:13:29,066 of a story to tie in, collaboration for 297 00:13:29,066 --> 00:13:32,599 this– for this book. So that was a neat thing, 298 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,266 and doing all those things together, I 299 00:13:34,266 --> 00:13:38,366 think we– we managed to 300 00:13:38,366 --> 00:13:40,866 make something that really 301 00:13:40,866 --> 00:13:45,499 did look good and that we– that we're all 302 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:48,233 proud of and happy to share with you 303 00:13:48,233 --> 00:13:51,299 today. It's been a– a wonderful project to 304 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:52,633 work on. 305 00:13:52,633 --> 00:13:55,299 - Thank you both for sharing your 306 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:56,866 perspective on– on the project. The first 307 00:13:56,866 --> 00:14:01,266 thing we did, which was the Pressbook. And so this is 308 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:03,532 in Boise State's Press Book account. So 309 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:06,199 our university, and I believe even the State of Idaho, 310 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,900 has a Press Book account. And so that's where this lives, 311 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:12,033 um, as you can see there. 312 00:14:12,033 --> 00:14:12,999 Here's the book, and we'll get a 313 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,133 bigger picture of it in just a moment, 314 00:14:14,133 --> 00:14:15,333 but you can see the quilt pattern on 315 00:14:15,333 --> 00:14:17,766 there. Underneath that, just like in every 316 00:14:17,766 --> 00:14:19,732 Pressbook that's ever been published, there's 317 00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:21,266 an option that can be 318 00:14:21,266 --> 00:14:23,399 chosen to be offered, which was to 319 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,033 download the entire book, that would be a 320 00:14:25,033 --> 00:14:26,666 digital PDF version, 321 00:14:26,666 --> 00:14:28,399 and here's the different versions you 322 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,733 can click on as well. So if you intended 323 00:14:30,733 --> 00:14:32,599 to print it out, you could do this or 324 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,400 there's another way to get a printed 325 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,500 version, and we'll get to that in just a 326 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:38,233 moment. Also, you see the licensing here. 327 00:14:38,233 --> 00:14:40,399 So this book is owned by Keith. 328 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,900 Just because something is openly 329 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:44,033 licensed doesn't mean that it's not 330 00:14:44,033 --> 00:14:45,399 owned by that author. 331 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,366 If you're going to use this book, then 332 00:14:47,366 --> 00:14:49,632 you know, it is still owned by Keith, 333 00:14:49,633 --> 00:14:50,833 copywritten by Keith, 334 00:14:50,833 --> 00:14:52,333 you need to provide an attribution, 335 00:14:52,333 --> 00:14:53,799 you're not allowed to sell this book, and 336 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,100 you need to use, 337 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:57,966 um, use it as it's presented. Um, and so 338 00:14:57,966 --> 00:15:00,199 those are the licensing terms that we have for this 339 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,733 particular book. And if you decide you want to 340 00:15:03,733 --> 00:15:05,066 read it online, here's the part that 341 00:15:05,066 --> 00:15:07,266 initially Keith came to– to me about, said, 342 00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:08,866 "Is there a way to do this?" 343 00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:10,732 And then I said there certainly is, and 344 00:15:10,733 --> 00:15:12,233 this is what we came up with. Now you can 345 00:15:12,233 --> 00:15:14,466 kind of see the detail of the quilt, um, 346 00:15:14,466 --> 00:15:17,232 which is layered, uh, upon this, because 347 00:15:17,233 --> 00:15:19,166 maybe you can interpret that as there 348 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:21,599 are multiple layers to this topic. 349 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,833 That was created by his wife, and we've 350 00:15:23,833 --> 00:15:27,699 used it in this cover. So you get past the cover and you 351 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:30,400 start to go back into the licensing and so forth, 352 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,500 and you just get to the bottom of 353 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,466 the Pressbooks page. But, um, you can come 354 00:15:33,466 --> 00:15:36,032 up here to content, and when you click on 355 00:15:36,033 --> 00:15:38,666 the down arrow, you can go back into the the cover page, 356 00:15:38,666 --> 00:15:39,932 but there's acknowledgements, 357 00:15:39,933 --> 00:15:41,733 the introduction, Cost of Freedom – these are different 358 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:44,166 writings by Keith – but then you get to 359 00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:46,332 the main body, and just like any other book that's 360 00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:48,166 online, there's different chapters. He has 361 00:15:48,166 --> 00:15:50,232 essays in here 362 00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:51,733 that you can go right to. I'm going to 363 00:15:51,733 --> 00:15:53,233 share another screen with you 364 00:15:53,233 --> 00:15:54,999 and I'll go ahead and stop this one from 365 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,033 sharing. So we had the issue of, okay, now we have 366 00:15:58,033 --> 00:15:59,533 this resource for our students and our 367 00:15:59,533 --> 00:16:03,499 faculty to use Keith's book and his expertise 368 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:05,266 in their class, so an ethics class, 369 00:16:05,266 --> 00:16:09,099 a business ethics class, a social justice class, 370 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:12,533 um, an equity studies class – all these 371 00:16:12,533 --> 00:16:14,633 resources – all these courses, rather – have 372 00:16:14,633 --> 00:16:15,866 this as a resource now, 373 00:16:15,866 --> 00:16:18,099 and it's also available on OER commons 374 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:21,933 as well. But Keith doesn't get any compensation 375 00:16:21,933 --> 00:16:24,533 for this, other than maybe a nice email every once 376 00:16:24,533 --> 00:16:26,099 in a while. And so, 377 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:27,666 earlier on, one of the outcomes and 378 00:16:27,666 --> 00:16:29,299 takeaways was how do we get to, 379 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:31,033 uh, where we can compensate our social 380 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:32,699 justice authors? And so, 381 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:34,166 we're going to take it to the next 382 00:16:34,166 --> 00:16:36,399 screen here. And so, if you were looking 383 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,966 for something like this, what we came 384 00:16:37,966 --> 00:16:39,266 upon – and there might 385 00:16:39,266 --> 00:16:41,532 very well be other ways to go about 386 00:16:41,533 --> 00:16:42,966 finding a way to compensate 387 00:16:42,966 --> 00:16:46,199 these experts – is to go to 388 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,566 Kindle Self-Publish, which, this is a part 389 00:16:48,566 --> 00:16:51,966 of the Amazon group of companies, and you can see here: 390 00:16:51,966 --> 00:16:55,599 same book, same cover, um, 391 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,100 and you can even look inside and peruse 392 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,166 the book, as it were. 393 00:16:59,166 --> 00:17:02,766 And so there's the introduction. Now the 394 00:17:02,766 --> 00:17:04,366 entire book is not here because 395 00:17:04,366 --> 00:17:07,266 obviously at this point we're looking at a way to 396 00:17:07,266 --> 00:17:08,766 compensate Keith for his expertise and 397 00:17:08,766 --> 00:17:10,532 his time in creating these materials. 398 00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:13,033 This also does something else for us in 399 00:17:13,033 --> 00:17:15,766 that it provides a print-on-demand 400 00:17:15,766 --> 00:17:17,566 solution. And so why would we need a 401 00:17:17,566 --> 00:17:18,699 print-on-demand solution? Couldn't 402 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:20,966 someone just take the PDF to 403 00:17:20,966 --> 00:17:24,766 their local print shop or, you know, Xerox shop? 404 00:17:24,766 --> 00:17:26,799 So this particular solution on how do we 405 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,300 compensate minoritized social justice authors 406 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:33,900 was to have the print-on-demand feature be a 407 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:35,333 way for Keith to control the price of 408 00:17:35,333 --> 00:17:38,666 the book. Now if he came across someone– an email 409 00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:41,532 of someone who wanted a book but could not afford it, 410 00:17:41,533 --> 00:17:43,833 there are ways for him to get a copy of 411 00:17:43,833 --> 00:17:45,866 the book to that particular person. 412 00:17:45,866 --> 00:17:48,832 However, if it's a corporation, a government agency, 413 00:17:48,833 --> 00:17:50,366 or some other type of group that's 414 00:17:50,366 --> 00:17:52,932 wanting Keith to come give his workshop, 415 00:17:52,933 --> 00:17:54,566 he could then let them know, "Make sure 416 00:17:54,566 --> 00:17:56,066 "you give this book out to everybody 417 00:17:56,066 --> 00:17:57,866 "who's going to attend 418 00:17:57,866 --> 00:17:59,266 "a week before the workshop." 419 00:17:59,266 --> 00:18:02,032 He can go on Amazon, he can set the price. 420 00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:03,666 So he can make it at-cost or he can 421 00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:05,832 build in a little profit for himself, 422 00:18:05,833 --> 00:18:08,633 so that, like I said, his work expertise 423 00:18:08,633 --> 00:18:11,766 is compensated for. And so that's how we 424 00:18:11,766 --> 00:18:15,532 did that. Basically a lot of the work was done by 425 00:18:15,533 --> 00:18:18,033 Frederick, as far as getting the formatting concerned. 426 00:18:18,033 --> 00:18:20,966 I would say 99.9% of the work was done by 427 00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:22,866 Dr. Anderson, in getting the book, 428 00:18:22,866 --> 00:18:24,666 where the different chapters and poems 429 00:18:24,666 --> 00:18:26,766 and stuff, flow nicely so that a lesson 430 00:18:26,766 --> 00:18:31,299 can be presented. And so that is– brings us to 431 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:35,800 our third idea here, is that, if you remember, 432 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,033 uh, there's a video available from the 433 00:18:38,033 --> 00:18:41,666 Creative Commons New Zealand, and it has basically the 434 00:18:41,666 --> 00:18:44,432 idea of a photographer trying to get her name out 435 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,333 as a photographer. And so she openly 436 00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:50,333 licenses an image of a kiwi bird, or a picture 437 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:53,666 that she took, but then it explains that she's only 438 00:18:53,666 --> 00:18:56,399 giving that one picture out for free. 439 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,566 - [Anderson] One of the most difficult 440 00:18:58,566 --> 00:19:03,232 things for instructors, professors, writers is to 441 00:19:03,233 --> 00:19:06,499 get their work published in a very 442 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:10,966 professional way, and this offers that opportunity 443 00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:13,299 to– and it offered me that opportunity to 444 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:15,300 get my book into a professional format, 445 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:19,166 and– but also I wanted 446 00:19:19,166 --> 00:19:22,532 professors to be able to use it. I wanted 447 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:24,333 students to be able to use it, 448 00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:27,299 and I didn't want them– I was a student, I 449 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:31,233 remember how much books cost, so I wanted to alleviate that 450 00:19:31,233 --> 00:19:33,199 problem so that a professor could use 451 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,533 that book to– to teach students about what I think is 452 00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:39,333 a very important concept in 453 00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:41,333 an understanding how to move from 454 00:19:41,333 --> 00:19:43,299 non-racist to anti-racist. 455 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:46,766 But, as a as a writer, it's 456 00:19:46,766 --> 00:19:48,732 hard to put bread on the table if you're 457 00:19:48,733 --> 00:19:51,066 constantly giving things away. 458 00:19:51,066 --> 00:19:53,832 But this offered that opportunity 459 00:19:53,833 --> 00:19:57,366 to say, okay, I can get a professional 460 00:19:57,366 --> 00:20:00,732 book, I can get it done, I can put it in front 461 00:20:00,733 --> 00:20:04,033 of people, who may in-turn turn around and talk to 462 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:07,033 other people about that. Uh, the students, the 463 00:20:07,033 --> 00:20:08,733 professors, whoever it may be, 464 00:20:08,733 --> 00:20:11,866 and now they know they can go someplace, 465 00:20:11,866 --> 00:20:14,199 to Amazon or– and then– and I'm sure 466 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,533 there's others – that they could buy the book. When I go 467 00:20:18,533 --> 00:20:23,033 do seminars for corporations or companies or the 468 00:20:23,033 --> 00:20:25,599 federal government, I can tell them, "Okay, 469 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,366 "here's some of the materials you need to get. 470 00:20:28,366 --> 00:20:30,332 "You need to be able to order these." And I 471 00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:31,966 can set that price, 472 00:20:31,966 --> 00:20:35,266 and so I can– I'm sort of, uh, 473 00:20:35,266 --> 00:20:38,866 being in control of my own product. 474 00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:41,132 Do I wish I could sell a million copies 475 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:42,499 and don't have to worry about it? 476 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:43,533 Of course I do. 477 00:20:43,533 --> 00:20:46,099 But that's– that's not happening for me 478 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:49,000 right now. So the best thing to do is to put 479 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,200 something that's very professional out there, 480 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,933 and then get a number of people to read it 481 00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:57,299 through the OER – the open, uh, educational 482 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,533 process – so where they can, uh, read it. 483 00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:03,466 And they will do a lot of publicity for me. 484 00:21:03,466 --> 00:21:06,332 They will tell other professors about the book, 485 00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:08,233 they will tell other students about the book, 486 00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:11,299 and then they can go to Kindle or, 487 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:14,200 uh, to Amazon, I should say, and– and find 488 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,500 that book. But not only that book, a 489 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,600 couple other books I've written in the past. 490 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,800 So this is– I think is a viable process 491 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,866 that makes everybody a winner. Uh, the 492 00:21:24,866 --> 00:21:26,732 students and the professors 493 00:21:26,733 --> 00:21:29,199 get information that I think is important, 494 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,166 and it's– it's– it comes at, uh, no price for them, 495 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:34,832 but the information is there. 496 00:21:34,833 --> 00:21:38,099 And I've studied and showed myself approved, as they say. 497 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,666 Uh, so it's good information. It's written– 498 00:21:41,666 --> 00:21:43,199 I think it's written well. People who 499 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,866 have read it so far think it's well-written. 500 00:21:45,866 --> 00:21:50,466 And so, I can, uh, I can feel proud of the fact that, 501 00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:52,266 there it is. 502 00:21:52,266 --> 00:21:56,566 Something that's solid, uh, and also something that is helping 503 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:59,966 students and professors. So that's one of the– 504 00:21:59,966 --> 00:22:03,699 that is probably the main reason why– 505 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,666 that I– I went with this opportunity, and 506 00:22:06,666 --> 00:22:08,732 I think it's a viable opportunity for a 507 00:22:08,733 --> 00:22:10,833 lot of, uh, professors out there who have not 508 00:22:10,833 --> 00:22:12,166 heard about it yet. 509 00:22:12,166 --> 00:22:13,632 - Okay, thank you. 510 00:22:13,633 --> 00:22:16,399 Frederick, uh, anything else you want to add? 511 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,866 - The takeaway– the only takeaway I would 512 00:22:18,866 --> 00:22:22,999 want to leave is just to 513 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,600 say that, you know, that this can be done. 514 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,500 You know– 515 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:28,133 We're– we've demonstrated between the 516 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:30,566 three of us that– 517 00:22:30,566 --> 00:22:32,332 that we were able to collaborate and 518 00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:34,633 bring this work to fruition, 519 00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:38,299 and it's something that none of us alone 520 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,100 could have done, although you know as we 521 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:43,300 pooled our different, um, 522 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,800 hats and– and abilities, we did it. 523 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,933 And it's– it's doable, 524 00:22:48,933 --> 00:22:54,099 and it's worth it, and it's a gratifying, uh, 525 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,666 experience. I'm– I'm glad I was able to 526 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:59,366 be a part of it. It's been a neat thing. 527 00:22:59,366 --> 00:23:01,532 - All right, thank you. Thank you both. Thank 528 00:23:01,533 --> 00:23:03,399 you for everyone who's listened in, 529 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,766 and we're hopeful to have a– 530 00:23:05,766 --> 00:23:07,332 enough time to have a question and 531 00:23:07,333 --> 00:23:09,133 answer session here in just a bit.